AmourShipping (Ash x Serena) Discussion Thread [SPOILERS]

Setsuna F Seiei wrote:
Sorry but I have to take the side of the mods here. There's a reason why rules were created, and that's to avoid disaster and keep the system from flowing. What we did back then was indeed a terrible disaster, we're not abiding to the rules. Yes, we have the freedom to express our own opinion but we went too far. The Mods kept telling us that if we want to express opinions that's not related to the topic, there's always a separate thread for that. Amours' topic should be about Ash and Serena's romantic relationship, not battles, individual goals and many others that does not contribute to the shipping itself. If you go to the 1st page, The rules are clearly stated. We've created a massive thread that surpassed opposing ships but alas, the thread had fallen.
I am extremely disappointed to be honest. I love that thread but we went too far to the point that we have angered the mods. We have the freedom to express those opinions but remember that we weren't the ones running the thread. The Mods are the law there.

Well at least we have our own safe haven here. Hopefully we can have this running as wild as the one in Serebii. We just need to invite other fellow amourshippers from Serebii. I'm pretty sure they are also sadden about the disappearance of the thread. A mod may have said that she/he will have a new one for us but I highly doubt it.

Anyway, enough of that drama. Here's a little scenario.
Ash and his friends were preparing for a christmas party. Clemont and Bonnie were busy hanging up some decors while Ash was busy with the lights. Serena was preparing to decorate the chirstmas tree when suddenly, she picked up a mistletoe. Serena suddenly blushed, having thought about "kissing under the mistletoe". Out of nowhere, Ash was behind her asking for help. To be continued.....

What happens next? You decide from here.

ScienceIsSoAmazing wrote:

Setsuna F Seiei wrote:Sorry but I have to take the side of the mods here. There's a reason why rules were created, and that's to avoid disaster and keep the system from flowing. What we did back then was indeed a terrible disaster, we're not abiding to the rules. Yes, we have the freedom to express our own opinion but we went too far. The Mods kept telling us that if we want to express opinions that's not related to the topic, there's always a separate thread for that. Amours' topic should be about Ash and Serena's romantic relationship, not battles, individual goals and many others that does not contribute to the shipping itself. If you go to the 1st page, The rules are clearly stated. We've created a massive thread that surpassed opposing ships but alas, the thread had fallen.
I am extremely disappointed to be honest. I love that thread but we went too far to the point that we have angered the mods. We have the freedom to express those opinions but remember that we weren't the ones running the thread. The Mods are the law there.

Well at least we have our own safe haven here. Hopefully we can have this running as wild as the one in Serebii. We just need to invite other fellow amourshippers from Serebii. I'm pretty sure they are also sadden about the disappearance of the thread. A mod may have said that she/he will have a new one for us but I highly doubt it.

I have to agree with Setsuna here. While Sushi's criticism of how things were going on the Amour thread was very blunt (too much so, in my view), the simple fact of the matter is that the Amour thread had steadily deteriorated in quality, especially ever since people became so steadfastly focused on hitting 1,000 pages. Yes, while I thought initially it'd be cool to hit 1,000 pages, it lost its appeal to me eventually because it was a philosophy that embraced quantity of posts over quality. In addition to struggling with an increasingly grueling work schedule (I work in communications/writing as a contractor, and people in this line of work in general aren't paid well, so at times I need to work very long hours), I found myself struggling to keep up with the Amour thread because I had to wade through a sea of new posts each day, many of which seemed to repeat the same things over and over again and/or go off on random tangents about non-Amour things (or non-Pokemon things entirely). Some users were responding to most or all of the posts that had been written since the last time they had previously logged in; many times, these responses consisted of a series of one-liners strung together. Other times two or three users would spend multiple pages replying to each other with one- or two-liners. Add to that some one-liners from new users (not something we could control, obviously) and the occasional spam post from someone a**hats who were trying to mock/troll Blood Red (each of those posts got deleted quickly, thank goodness), and you can kind of see what it all adds up to. I'm obviously bummed that the original thread got shut down, but I can't say that I think the decision wasn't at least partially justified.

Don't get me wrong: I have no grudges and mean no offence toward anyone here. And there's no one to blame here (I don't even think "blame" is the right word). It was just a perfect storm of things that happened to happen all at once, the collective summation of a bunch of individual actions that were by themselves never intended to do any harm. Nobody meant for this to happen. But it did, and we all need to learn from that experience and use what we have learned to make this new thread a better one. While we obviously don't have to abide by Serebii's posting rules, I really hope we can at least try to keep the conversation here more focused and less repetitive. One way we can reduce the amount of repetitive posting is to cut back (not eliminate, of course) responding just to say we agree with what the other person is saying with slightly different wording; maybe responding more if there is an additional aspect of the subject that the person missed, or something novel to add. And I really hope we can avoid getting caught up in the number of pages or posts that we rack up. I'd rather that we have 100-200 pages of very thoughtfully written, informative posts than 1,000 pages of really short posts with tons of repetitive back-and-forths with one another, if that makes sense. I'm not saying we should have Serebii rules by-the-books, just thinking we can at least do a few things differently to make our community a better one.

But moving on from that...

Setsuna F Seiei wrote:

Amour256 wrote:Welcome aboard As for me, I'll be staying in here and just spectate Serebii from the shadows and make an entry ONLY if its needed. Otherwise, its no. There was no reason to shut down that thread. The reason given was we were being overly dramatic and off topic. If the mods want people to always be on topic and not even express their joy or sorrow or some disappointment over the ship then that is wrong! It is a community and the people have a right to express what they feel or what they want, freely. Virtual or reality, rights still prevail. Not allowing people to do that is basically supressing their freedom and some amount of 'off-topic' posts are okay!

Anyway, yes XY053 was a very good episode indeed XD Serena keeps her hand over Ash's mouth(drove me nuts! O was practically jumping here and there XD) and the motto was brought up two times! Also Serena's blush....we got hints despite it not being a shippy episode Amourissoamazing XD

As for the next episode, I expect some minor hints or will it be better to call them, 'writer's hints'? But we just cannot completely discard the hints card for sure since we seem to get hints even in a non shippy episode!

Sorry but I have to take the side of the mods here. There's a reason why rules were created, and that's to avoid disaster and keep the system from flowing. What we did back then was indeed a terrible disaster, we're not abiding to the rules. Yes, we have the freedom to express our own opinion but we went too far. The Mods kept telling us that if we want to express opinions that's not related to the topic, there's always a separate thread for that. Amours' topic should be about Ash and Serena's romantic relationship, not battles, individual goals and many others that does not contribute to the shipping itself. If you go to the 1st page, The rules are clearly stated. We've created a massive thread that surpassed opposing ships but alas, the thread had fallen.
I am extremely disappointed to be honest. I love that thread but we went too far to the point that we have angered the mods. We have the freedom to express those opinions but remember that we weren't the ones running the thread. The Mods are the law there.

Well at least we have our own safe haven here. Hopefully we can have this running as wild as the one in Serebii. We just need to invite other fellow amourshippers from Serebii. I'm pretty sure they are also sadden about the disappearance of the thread. A mod may have said that she/he will have a new one for us but I highly doubt it.

Anyway, enough of that drama. Here's a little scenario.
Ash and his friends were preparing for a christmas party. Clemont and Bonnie were busy hanging up some decors while Ash was busy with the lights. Serena was preparing to decorate the chirstmas tree when suddenly, she picked up a mistletoe. Serena suddenly blushed, having thought about "kissing under the mistletoe". Out of nowhere, Ash was behind her asking for help. To be continued.....

What happens next? You decide from here.

matthew11 wrote:

ScienceIsSoAmazing wrote:

Setsuna F Seiei wrote:Sorry but I have to take the side of the mods here. There's a reason why rules were created, and that's to avoid disaster and keep the system from flowing. What we did back then was indeed a terrible disaster, we're not abiding to the rules. Yes, we have the freedom to express our own opinion but we went too far. The Mods kept telling us that if we want to express opinions that's not related to the topic, there's always a separate thread for that. Amours' topic should be about Ash and Serena's romantic relationship, not battles, individual goals and many others that does not contribute to the shipping itself. If you go to the 1st page, The rules are clearly stated. We've created a massive thread that surpassed opposing ships but alas, the thread had fallen.
I am extremely disappointed to be honest. I love that thread but we went too far to the point that we have angered the mods. We have the freedom to express those opinions but remember that we weren't the ones running the thread. The Mods are the law there.

Well at least we have our own safe haven here. Hopefully we can have this running as wild as the one in Serebii. We just need to invite other fellow amourshippers from Serebii. I'm pretty sure they are also sadden about the disappearance of the thread. A mod may have said that she/he will have a new one for us but I highly doubt it.

I have to agree with Setsuna here. While Sushi's criticism of how things were going on the Amour thread was very blunt (too much so, in my view), the simple fact of the matter is that the Amour thread had steadily deteriorated in quality, especially ever since people became so steadfastly focused on hitting 1,000 pages. Yes, while I thought initially it'd be cool to hit 1,000 pages, it lost its appeal to me eventually because it was a philosophy that embraced quantity of posts over quality. In addition to struggling with an increasingly grueling work schedule (I work in communications/writing as a contractor, and people in this line of work in general aren't paid well, so at times I need to work very long hours), I found myself struggling to keep up with the Amour thread because I had to wade through a sea of new posts each day, many of which seemed to repeat the same things over and over again and/or go off on random tangents about non-Amour things (or non-Pokemon things entirely). Some users were responding to most or all of the posts that had been written since the last time they had previously logged in; many times, these responses consisted of a series of one-liners strung together. Other times two or three users would spend multiple pages replying to each other with one- or two-liners. Add to that some one-liners from new users (not something we could control, obviously) and the occasional spam post from someone a**hats who were trying to mock/troll Blood Red (each of those posts got deleted quickly, thank goodness), and you can kind of see what it all adds up to. I'm obviously bummed that the original thread got shut down, but I can't say that I think the decision wasn't at least partially justified.

Don't get me wrong: I have no grudges and mean no offence toward anyone here. And there's no one to blame here (I don't even think "blame" is the right word). It was just a perfect storm of things that happened to happen all at once, the collective summation of a bunch of individual actions that were by themselves never intended to do any harm. Nobody meant for this to happen. But it did, and we all need to learn from that experience and use what we have learned to make this new thread a better one. While we obviously don't have to abide by Serebii's posting rules, I really hope we can at least try to keep the conversation here more focused and less repetitive. One way we can reduce the amount of repetitive posting is to cut back (not eliminate, of course) responding just to say we agree with what the other person is saying with slightly different wording; maybe responding more if there is an additional aspect of the subject that the person missed, or something novel to add. And I really hope we can avoid getting caught up in the number of pages or posts that we rack up. I'd rather that we have 100-200 pages of very thoughtfully written, informative posts than 1,000 pages of really short posts with tons of repetitive back-and-forths with one another, if that makes sense. I'm not saying we should have Serebii rules by-the-books, just thinking we can at least do a few things differently to make our community a better one.

But moving on from that...

Setsuna F Seiei wrote:

Amour256 wrote:Welcome aboard As for me, I'll be staying in here and just spectate Serebii from the shadows and make an entry ONLY if its needed. Otherwise, its no. There was no reason to shut down that thread. The reason given was we were being overly dramatic and off topic. If the mods want people to always be on topic and not even express their joy or sorrow or some disappointment over the ship then that is wrong! It is a community and the people have a right to express what they feel or what they want, freely. Virtual or reality, rights still prevail. Not allowing people to do that is basically supressing their freedom and some amount of 'off-topic' posts are okay!

Anyway, yes XY053 was a very good episode indeed XD Serena keeps her hand over Ash's mouth(drove me nuts! O was practically jumping here and there XD) and the motto was brought up two times! Also Serena's blush....we got hints despite it not being a shippy episode Amourissoamazing XD

As for the next episode, I expect some minor hints or will it be better to call them, 'writer's hints'? But we just cannot completely discard the hints card for sure since we seem to get hints even in a non shippy episode!

Sorry but I have to take the side of the mods here. There's a reason why rules were created, and that's to avoid disaster and keep the system from flowing. What we did back then was indeed a terrible disaster, we're not abiding to the rules. Yes, we have the freedom to express our own opinion but we went too far. The Mods kept telling us that if we want to express opinions that's not related to the topic, there's always a separate thread for that. Amours' topic should be about Ash and Serena's romantic relationship, not battles, individual goals and many others that does not contribute to the shipping itself. If you go to the 1st page, The rules are clearly stated. We've created a massive thread that surpassed opposing ships but alas, the thread had fallen.
I am extremely disappointed to be honest. I love that thread but we went too far to the point that we have angered the mods. We have the freedom to express those opinions but remember that we weren't the ones running the thread. The Mods are the law there.

Well at least we have our own safe haven here. Hopefully we can have this running as wild as the one in Serebii. We just need to invite other fellow amourshippers from Serebii. I'm pretty sure they are also sadden about the disappearance of the thread. A mod may have said that she/he will have a new one for us but I highly doubt it.

Anyway, enough of that drama. Here's a little scenario.
Ash and his friends were preparing for a christmas party. Clemont and Bonnie were busy hanging up some decors while Ash was busy with the lights. Serena was preparing to decorate the chirstmas tree when suddenly, she picked up a mistletoe. Serena suddenly blushed, having thought about "kissing under the mistletoe". Out of nowhere, Ash was behind her asking for help. To be continued.....

What happens next? You decide from here.

Ok. I'm not liking the discussions here! (Sushi voice) Lol kidding. Ok, to dismiss this dramatic topic, I will say a few things about our current situation.

Ok, the reason, no, the cause of our so-called disaster is simply from this insane amount of spams. And those who slowly started spamming became too brave to even think of what they were doing. Others (including me) had to jump in to the conversation so that we wouldn't be left out. And because of that, we had to spam too. I already realized this from the start, but I just had to join the conversation as well because of the reason I stated in the last sentence. I didn't have the guts to warn all of you, you know. And I'm really sorry if I had caused someone here much pain from this post, but I just had to lift this from my chest. If that's not enough, here's a potential hint that may occur in the series:



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pokesrini wrote:*yawn* "I side with the mods", "I'm sore about the thread being closed", "Too much spam on the quest to Mission 1000"

Ah..there's something interesting! @SISA You have pointed out the lack of references to and information regarding the date episode. I agree, it is good to be rather cautious with expectations. But I'd like to point out to you that the XY059 thread was basically turned into an Amour and Serena bashing thread. I had delved into it myself; and came out of it because I was practically drowned out by OtherShippers who were simply unwilling to change their arguments. That is one of the reasons I am not happy with the mods. There were far too many off-topic discussions there and not a thing was done. Compared to that, our Amour thread had little "spam" as you call it. To me at least, it seemed like though we discussed about stuff like Serena's dream and all, it all eventually led to arguments about what they meant for the future of Amour.

Anyway, point is that the XY059 thread is crawling with OtherShippers. It isn't possible to use that as a yardstick for measuring the expectations about the date episode anymore. Now the lack of information about the date episode could be because they know the kind of shockwaves it has already sent. Ash and Clemont's gym battle for example. We know that it is gonna happen. We just don't know how it happens, or what happens. for that, we have the short preview to give us a little more info.

Similarly Serena's performance. We know she's gonna perform, but what is that Tripokelon? We still don't know. Which is why they fed us a little more. But they know how unique a date episode is. So there's really no need to elaborate it any further. Either that, or they don't want to give away even an ounce more of information; or both.

Amour256 I think the Goomy episodes will have some writers' hints; but nothing more. The first one is a capture episode; so it is Ash focused. the second one seems to be focusing on Dedenne! So it is Bonnie focused! (that's interesting) The Vanillite episode may have a writers' hint or two. Since it suddenly turns cold; maybe Ash could offer Serena his jacket or something? Of course..that's a tad bit optimistic.

Anyway, I have a question to get you guys back on topic and heal the pain a bit (more or less) :p

Do you think XY059 will be an Ash focused or Serena focused episode? What is the implication for the episode if it is focused on your chosen character (that is, in terms of our expectations)?

Amour256 wrote:If it is an Ash centred episode, then I expect Ash to take the initiative. I mean something like "Hey Serena, how.about this? Do.you like it? Will my Froakie/Pikachu/Fletchender etc will like it? How about this, Serena? For your Fenniken? Serena....you should go for this dress. You'd look so good in it during your performance in TriPokalon" or "Wow Serena! This dress suits you! You look so good in it!" You know something like this. Of course some moments too. Like....them watching the sunset together or....clicking photographs together and Serena being close to Ash. Give me a goddamn kiss.dammit XD

Serena wrote:I dunno if there will be any big hints, I'm guessing that may be the case considering the type of anime Pokemon is, but I think we'll be seeing some great character interactions between Ash and Serena regardless.  I'm really hoping for Serena to be dragging Ash by his arms throughout the episode, while Ash is looking uncomfortable and acting all awkward and stuff.  The whole thing just sounds super kawaii to me lol.

Blood Red wrote:

Serena wrote:I dunno if there will be any big hints, I'm guessing that may be the case considering the type of anime Pokemon is, but I think we'll be seeing some great character interactions between Ash and Serena regardless.  I'm really hoping for Serena to be dragging Ash by his arms throughout the episode, while Ash is looking uncomfortable and acting all awkward and stuff.  The whole thing just sounds super kawaii to me lol.

I'd like to see that, but I don't think Serena will drag him around for too long. After all, she's not as...brash as some other girls Ash knew XD

Ikcatcher wrote:

Blood Red wrote:

Serena wrote:I dunno if there will be any big hints, I'm guessing that may be the case considering the type of anime Pokemon is, but I think we'll be seeing some great character interactions between Ash and Serena regardless.  I'm really hoping for Serena to be dragging Ash by his arms throughout the episode, while Ash is looking uncomfortable and acting all awkward and stuff.  The whole thing just sounds super kawaii to me lol.

I'd like to see that, but I don't think Serena will drag him around for too long. After all, she's not as...brash as some other girls Ash knew XD

What I want to see is like something in the movie,Serena goes on a shopping montage and you just see Ash sitting on a bench while holding an ice cream or something XD

pokesrini wrote:I agree. I somehow don't accept that, "Pokemon isn't that kind of an anime" thing. If it isn't, then why call it a date? It will be one of the biggest disappointments if that happens. And I don't think that is what will happen either. As someone pointed out, Serena isn't like May..let's say, to drag Ash around all the way. If we got hints in episodes like XY053 or such episodes, I see no reason why we won't get the same hints, if not more in an episode that seems to be specifically designed for it.

Amour256 wrote:Speaking of which....can someone post that sunset scene of the date episode?