AmourShipping (Ash x Serena) Discussion Thread [SPOILERS]

pokesrini wrote:LOL hold your horses guys. All that I wanted to say was that the episode has no contribution to Amour. And Amour can very easily be incorporated in the main storyline. I'm pretty sure the writers didn't overlook such a basic thing when they took the decision to begin.

As such, Serena has been instrumental in Ash's Santalune and Shalour gym battles. Why can't she be instrumental in the League? That's where the relevance of the ship comes in. We may not see much relevance now..at this point of the show. They know the limitations of this ship much better than we do; and for a show that has not even skimmed this topic in the last 15 years, they would've thought a hundred times before taking the plunge. So why not give it a rest?

Amour has to be resolved eventually. And then it could be taken through for just another generation, before even Ash as a character begins to stale. They cannot let him keep losing; yet they cannot have him win everything either. The show needs a reboot, and it is imminent. Anyway..let's try to get another topic? We are speculating things that are way too far into the future.

Amour256 The reason they may not have brought misty back is because it might isolate the fans of the other girls. Anyway, XY has been all about fanservice, which improved the dynamic of both the show and the game. Mega evolutions of the most popular Gen 1s is a clear example.

PokemonTrainerY wrote:Hello everyone, fellow Amourshipper here. Since the Serebii mobs closed the Amourshipping thread, I made an account here.

Anyway, XY053 was a good episode. It's cute when Serena blushed after hearing Ash's compliments about her. XY059 is the next big Amourshipping episode, but I'm expecting some hints in XY058 and XY060 too.

pokesrini wrote:PokemonTrainerY Welcome to SS Amour! Well..looks like we will have more passengers and crew aboard soon enough! I agree. The episode was cute. And we do expect hints in XY058. Not massive, but the sort of hints we saw at the Cyllage Gym. Not too sure what we'll see in XY060 yet though.

Amour256 Yeah..let's wait and watch. I'm sure we'll get something different. Don't worry!

And it has been fanservice. The water curse was broken, the calls for Ash to get a Goomy..a lot of stuff. Don't worry yourself now. I was thinking that the breaking of the drought would raise your spirits! :p

Blood Red wrote:

PokemonTrainerY wrote:Hello everyone, fellow Amourshipper here. Since the Serebii mobs closed the Amourshipping thread, I made an account here.

Anyway, XY053 was a good episode. It's cute when Serena blushed after hearing Ash's compliments about her. XY059 is the next big Amourshipping episode, but I'm expecting some hints in XY058 and XY060 too.

Hi bro

Maybe we will. After all, something had to initiate their date and there would be some sort of aftereffects because of it.

Getting a few hints in the episodes before and after the big one doesn't sound unreasonable

pokesrini wrote:PokemonTrainerY Welcome to SS Amour! Well..looks like we will have more passengers and crew aboard soon enough! I agree. The episode was cute. And we do expect hints in XY058. Not massive, but the sort of hints we saw at the Cyllage Gym. Not too sure what we'll see in XY060 yet though.

Blood Red wrote:@pokesrini Maybe 'fanservice' is a bit too much. I think it's just their way of acknowledging our demands from the show. Plus, my theory of the anime growing up with the games may have a hand in it. It'll certainly explain the romance.

Blood Red wrote:@pokesrini Maybe 'fanservice' is a bit too much. I think it's just their way of acknowledging our demands from the show. Plus, my theory of the anime growing up with the games may have a hand in it. It'll certainly explain the romance.

@Amour256 I think that's a bit too much

Amour256 wrote:

matthew11 wrote:

Amour256 wrote:I don't know if you have noticed this but....Serena now has become an inseperable part of XY. All the more Ash's and Serena's relationship is a core part of this series now. It is something like....it cannot be sidetracked. It cannot be ignored. You have to give it justice just like you are giving to the story. Yes! Their relationship has become a sub plot of the story. So if anything, their story not contributing to the main plot will make me worry a bit now. Imagine this. A sub plot which is one of the core parts of the story, contributes nothing to the main story. That'd either mean that the subplot is irrelevant to the story or that it doesn't carry any importance. It is just there for the heck of it. In both these cases, odds don't go in our favour. Though what you say is right. We'd get our wishes fulfilled. Indeed right. But that'll be nothing but fanservice if it doesn't contribute to the main plot. And that is not good for Amour. It is indeed a core part of XY. So it having no importance is.....not good! If it contributes to the main plot...ALL HANDS ON THE DECK! WE ARE GOING FULL THROTTLE! We get something more than the usual that means that the writers indeed have some great plans about Amour and it is just not there to draw in more viewers. Sure you can say if they want to do that...they'll give it justice now and abandon it later. But my friend, that'll piss of the viewers and inturn, their next series would go in for a FLOP! Not a safe move. That's why I am more focused on what the writers are gonna give us for the date episode. Its gonna be a make or break thing

But sure it can be like as you say. A moment by itself meaning nothing but it connects to the main plot in the long run!

In short, the main reason why there is a subplot aka Amourshipping in the main series is to just bring back the viewers who left the series after the downfall of BW. But if you look far into the future, whether they make amour canon or not, the viewers will simply pack their bags and enter the real world after which amour has had bored of its fans/viewers.

And at this point, we may get off-topic, so let's make another one, shall we?

No. That's not what I meant. Like someone said on Serebii, the writers have left no stone unturned to improve Pokémon and make this series different from the others. Amour is indeed one of them. The story cannot be completed without giving justice to Amour. Okay. To be specific, if we get something more than the usual, some fluff, some love here and there, some tenderness and warmth and out of the ordinary moments, BINGO! This is it. The writers do have some plans for Amour

But if we get nothing out of the ordinary except just plain shopping and some normal moments...I will be concerned about Amour. Of course that's a huge if in there. I won't be wholly negative on that one, only concerned if that's what you are asking for. Amour doesn't seem to be a fanservice sonce if they wanted fanservice, they could've easily brought Misty back and get done with it. Its enough to pool in more viewers. But instead they brought Serena....she has a crush on Ash and we've got what not uptil now. So let's just wait for the date episode. Whatever the case....the writers won't bluff in the future if they give full justice to Amour in XY059. No turning back. Amour's full sail!

Clémont.....YES! He can indeed sense the closeness between the two of em and unlike Bonnie who won't understand what's going on...he'd know very well XD

Ikcatcher wrote:

Amour256 wrote:

matthew11 wrote:

Amour256 wrote:I don't know if you have noticed this but....Serena now has become an inseperable part of XY. All the more Ash's and Serena's relationship is a core part of this series now. It is something like....it cannot be sidetracked. It cannot be ignored. You have to give it justice just like you are giving to the story. Yes! Their relationship has become a sub plot of the story. So if anything, their story not contributing to the main plot will make me worry a bit now. Imagine this. A sub plot which is one of the core parts of the story, contributes nothing to the main story. That'd either mean that the subplot is irrelevant to the story or that it doesn't carry any importance. It is just there for the heck of it. In both these cases, odds don't go in our favour. Though what you say is right. We'd get our wishes fulfilled. Indeed right. But that'll be nothing but fanservice if it doesn't contribute to the main plot. And that is not good for Amour. It is indeed a core part of XY. So it having no importance is.....not good! If it contributes to the main plot...ALL HANDS ON THE DECK! WE ARE GOING FULL THROTTLE! We get something more than the usual that means that the writers indeed have some great plans about Amour and it is just not there to draw in more viewers. Sure you can say if they want to do that...they'll give it justice now and abandon it later. But my friend, that'll piss of the viewers and inturn, their next series would go in for a FLOP! Not a safe move. That's why I am more focused on what the writers are gonna give us for the date episode. Its gonna be a make or break thing

But sure it can be like as you say. A moment by itself meaning nothing but it connects to the main plot in the long run!

In short, the main reason why there is a subplot aka Amourshipping in the main series is to just bring back the viewers who left the series after the downfall of BW. But if you look far into the future, whether they make amour canon or not, the viewers will simply pack their bags and enter the real world after which amour has had bored of its fans/viewers.

And at this point, we may get off-topic, so let's make another one, shall we?

No. That's not what I meant. Like someone said on Serebii, the writers have left no stone unturned to improve Pokémon and make this series different from the others. Amour is indeed one of them. The story cannot be completed without giving justice to Amour. Okay. To be specific, if we get something more than the usual, some fluff, some love here and there, some tenderness and warmth and out of the ordinary moments, BINGO! This is it. The writers do have some plans for Amour

But if we get nothing out of the ordinary except just plain shopping and some normal moments...I will be concerned about Amour. Of course that's a huge if in there. I won't be wholly negative on that one, only concerned if that's what you are asking for. Amour doesn't seem to be a fanservice sonce if they wanted fanservice, they could've easily brought Misty back and get done with it. Its enough to pool in more viewers. But instead they brought Serena....she has a crush on Ash and we've got what not uptil now. So let's just wait for the date episode. Whatever the case....the writers won't bluff in the future if they give full justice to Amour in XY059. No turning back. Amour's full sail!

Clémont.....YES! He can indeed sense the closeness between the two of em and unlike Bonnie who won't understand what's going on...he'd know very well XD

True that,the writers have pretty much build up Amourshipping so much that they can't ignore it now.It is as you said,Amourshipping is pretty much contributing to the main plot
I doubt Clemont can sense the closeness,cause seriously Bonnie is more love hungry than him.Maybe Bonnie would sense it and tell Serena to be Ash's keeper XD

AshSerena wrote:Hi! AshSerena Here! let me join on this Forum folks!
i really wanna make a account with name AshSerena but made a mistake and put wrong email on it so i made new one... nway nice seeing some people i know here (too bad our amour thread got closed)

about the episode, yeah its so nice to see both ash and serena having a good interaction on each other.and that grace hug.. dammm i expect something like a hint from grace( writers got us :/ lol)

nyway please let me stay on this thread amourshippers!(i hope its friendly and freedom to speak)

PotSmuggle wrote:

AshSerena wrote:Hi! AshSerena Here! let me join on this Forum folks!
i really wanna make a account with name AshSerena but made a mistake and put wrong email on it so i made new one... nway nice seeing some people i know here (too bad our amour thread got closed)

about the episode, yeah its so nice to see both ash and serena having a good interaction on each other.and that grace hug.. dammm i expect something like a hint from grace( writers got us :/ lol)

nyway please let me stay on this thread amourshippers!(i hope its friendly and freedom to speak)

What are you talking about AshSerena?

Of course you can stay, it's great to have you on board.

@pokesrini Interesting analogy. That was exactly how I viewed Mega Evolutions before and after I played the game.

Right now, I view AmourShipping as a Megastone that is Mega-evolving the series beyond it's limits. ...I tried.

Blood Red wrote:How did we go from Amourshipping to Mega Evolution? LOL we can't stay on topic, can we

Anyway, if I have to try my hand at that analogy, Amour already has the Key Stone (the past and all the  interactions) as well as the bond (Serena's feelings). What we're missing is the Mega Stone (Ash hints).

matthew11 wrote:

Blood Red wrote:How did we go from Amourshipping to Mega Evolution? LOL we can't stay on topic, can we

Anyway, if I have to try my hand at that analogy, Amour already has the Key Stone (the past and all the  interactions) as well as the bond (Serena's feelings). What we're missing is the Mega Stone (Ash hints).

 
And what's the point of all that if we don't have a Pokemon capable of Mega evolving (subplot)?

matthew11 wrote:

Blood Red wrote:How did we go from Amourshipping to Mega Evolution? LOL we can't stay on topic, can we

Anyway, if I have to try my hand at that analogy, Amour already has the Key Stone (the past and all the  interactions) as well as the bond (Serena's feelings). What we're missing is the Mega Stone (Ash hints).

 
And what's the point of all that if we don't have a Pokemon capable of Mega evolving (subplot)?

Pokévision wrote:Since Serena won the Skiddo race, this eliminates the possibility of a losing spree for Serena by the time she competes in her first TriPokalon - the three events that I theorized could constitute a losing spree were the summer camp Pokemon battle, the Skiddo race, and the TriPokalon performance. Now, I believe that Serena losing the TriPokalon is a full-fledged possibility given that she has one "victory" from the Skiddo race with her. In terms of AmourShipping hints, a defeat (I'm sorry Serena...) will have more opportunities for hints than a victory. With a TriPokalon defeat, we'll get an elevated and more emotional version of Serena's disappointed reaction after losing her first Pokemon battle.

Pokévision wrote:Since Serena won the Skiddo race, this eliminates the possibility of a losing spree for Serena by the time she competes in her first TriPokalon - the three events that I theorized could constitute a losing spree were the summer camp Pokemon battle, the Skiddo race, and the TriPokalon performance. Now, I believe that Serena losing the TriPokalon is a full-fledged possibility given that she has one "victory" from the Skiddo race with her. In terms of AmourShipping hints, a defeat (I'm sorry Serena...) will have more opportunities for hints than a victory. With a TriPokalon defeat, we'll get an elevated and more emotional version of Serena's disappointed reaction after losing her first Pokemon battle.

Blood Red wrote:

Pokévision wrote:Since Serena won the Skiddo race, this eliminates the possibility of a losing spree for Serena by the time she competes in her first TriPokalon - the three events that I theorized could constitute a losing spree were the summer camp Pokemon battle, the Skiddo race, and the TriPokalon performance. Now, I believe that Serena losing the TriPokalon is a full-fledged possibility given that she has one "victory" from the Skiddo race with her. In terms of AmourShipping hints, a defeat (I'm sorry Serena...) will have more opportunities for hints than a victory. With a TriPokalon defeat, we'll get an elevated and more emotional version of Serena's disappointed reaction after losing her first Pokemon battle.

Y'know, it's kinda sad that we're ready to sacrifice Serena's victory for a hint. I mean, getting a congratulatory hug from Ash would be just as effective, not to mention really sweet

Blood Red wrote:Hey, Sheepy! Glad to see you man, we needed some humor around here

So far, the only hints from this episode that have stood out to me were the blush (and Serena's tone when she replies XD ) and her use of their line twice, one she failed in her training (she said Satoshi, so I don't think it's a throwaway) and the other when she fell off her Meecle. Basically, I think that's enough to secure the ship

Ash's 'hints' were more of the 'special concern' variety, so I won't really consider them hints. Also, there were a few moments (like the hug and Serena closing Ash's mouth with her hand) so there's that.

Overall, a few minor but concrete hints and a few good moments. For the first time in months, we have something satisfactory.

Amour256 wrote:

Blood Red wrote:

Pokévision wrote:Since Serena won the Skiddo race, this eliminates the possibility of a losing spree for Serena by the time she competes in her first TriPokalon - the three events that I theorized could constitute a losing spree were the summer camp Pokemon battle, the Skiddo race, and the TriPokalon performance. Now, I believe that Serena losing the TriPokalon is a full-fledged possibility given that she has one "victory" from the Skiddo race with her. In terms of AmourShipping hints, a defeat (I'm sorry Serena...) will have more opportunities for hints than a victory. With a TriPokalon defeat, we'll get an elevated and more emotional version of Serena's disappointed reaction after losing her first Pokemon battle.

Y'know, it's kinda sad that we're ready to sacrifice Serena's victory for a hint. I mean, getting a congratulatory hug from Ash would be just as effective, not to mention really sweet

I'd confess my feelings to my love if this happens XD (JK no offence XD)

Edit: On another note, some pretty sweet words like 'I believed in you Serena. I knew you'd win. You can't lose!" or something like that would work too!!

Sheepy Lamby wrote:

Blood Red wrote:Hey, Sheepy! Glad to see you man, we needed some humor around here

So far, the only hints from this episode that have stood out to me were the blush (and Serena's tone when she replies XD ) and her use of their line twice, one she failed in her training (she said Satoshi, so I don't think it's a throwaway) and the other when she fell off her Meecle. Basically, I think that's enough to secure the ship

Ash's 'hints' were more of the 'special concern' variety, so I won't really consider them hints. Also, there were a few moments (like the hug and Serena closing Ash's mouth with her hand) so there's that.

Overall, a few minor but concrete hints and a few good moments. For the first time in months, we have something satisfactory.

Sorry for just replying
Glad to see you again dude! My pleasure!

This episode (no matter if we think it had or hadn't hints) was good.
I wish Grace makes a "silly" comment about the couple the next time she sees Serena.
No doubt the ship is going in the right way... (Hurry up February!)

Blood Red wrote:

Amour256 wrote:

Blood Red wrote:

Pokévision wrote:Since Serena won the Skiddo race, this eliminates the possibility of a losing spree for Serena by the time she competes in her first TriPokalon - the three events that I theorized could constitute a losing spree were the summer camp Pokemon battle, the Skiddo race, and the TriPokalon performance. Now, I believe that Serena losing the TriPokalon is a full-fledged possibility given that she has one "victory" from the Skiddo race with her. In terms of AmourShipping hints, a defeat (I'm sorry Serena...) will have more opportunities for hints than a victory. With a TriPokalon defeat, we'll get an elevated and more emotional version of Serena's disappointed reaction after losing her first Pokemon battle.

Y'know, it's kinda sad that we're ready to sacrifice Serena's victory for a hint. I mean, getting a congratulatory hug from Ash would be just as effective, not to mention really sweet

I'd confess my feelings to my love if this happens XD (JK no offence XD)

Edit: On another note, some pretty sweet words like 'I believed in you Serena. I knew you'd win. You can't lose!" or something like that would work too!!

Yeah, I agree. Even a few words of encouragement said in the right tone and during the right moment would be enough

Sheepy Lamby wrote:

Blood Red wrote:Hey, Sheepy! Glad to see you man, we needed some humor around here

So far, the only hints from this episode that have stood out to me were the blush (and Serena's tone when she replies XD ) and her use of their line twice, one she failed in her training (she said Satoshi, so I don't think it's a throwaway) and the other when she fell off her Meecle. Basically, I think that's enough to secure the ship

Ash's 'hints' were more of the 'special concern' variety, so I won't really consider them hints. Also, there were a few moments (like the hug and Serena closing Ash's mouth with her hand) so there's that.

Overall, a few minor but concrete hints and a few good moments. For the first time in months, we have something satisfactory.

Sorry for just replying
Glad to see you again dude! My pleasure!

This episode (no matter if we think it had or hadn't hints) was good.
I wish Grace makes a "silly" comment about the couple the next time she sees Serena.
No doubt the ship is going in the right way... (Hurry up February!)

No prob, dude

Yeah, I pretty much agree with both of your points. And I think everyone is as excited for the episode as you are (though I'm not looking forward to the month at all XD )